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		<title>By: Young</title>
		<link>http://sixrevisions.com/content-strategy/the-importance-of-historiography-on-the-web/#comment-93232</link>
		<dc:creator>Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 20:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point a little more clearly now. Your article seemed to be supporting preservation of web content regardless of content - and a clearer line needs to be drawn between your discussion of content and structure. Most people, when we hear &quot;old sites&quot; we think horrendous non-compliant HTML. If the author or whoever&#039;s maintaining the site doesn&#039;t deem the content valuable enough to keep it up with the times, I&#039;m okay with letting that content disappear. 

I can&#039;t agree with your stance on that web content is regarded with less importance than traditional documents. If anything, I think most people are switching over to digital media now and much more conscientious about maintaining these &quot;records&quot; than they were years ago. It just seemed silly to claim that information is better preserved in traditional media, especially if you think back to things like the Cultural Revolution, erasing all &quot;irrelevant&quot; information. I&#039;m sure the Library of Alexandra could keep every record cuz back then, people who could afford to write something down on scrolls were people worth listening to. The proportion of useful info to useless info on the web nowadays is beyond comparison to ancient Greece.

Posthumous management of web content might very well be tricky, as you say. But realistically, with domains expiring and server resources being limited, is there much more to be done than for YOU to take up the content you found relevant from your friend&#039;s site, and publishing it on your site? How long could we keep up that chain of re-publication? Should websites become family heirlooms? Traditional media definitely has the advantage there - so if you wanna preserve content, write a book?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point a little more clearly now. Your article seemed to be supporting preservation of web content regardless of content &#8211; and a clearer line needs to be drawn between your discussion of content and structure. Most people, when we hear &#8220;old sites&#8221; we think horrendous non-compliant HTML. If the author or whoever&#8217;s maintaining the site doesn&#8217;t deem the content valuable enough to keep it up with the times, I&#8217;m okay with letting that content disappear. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t agree with your stance on that web content is regarded with less importance than traditional documents. If anything, I think most people are switching over to digital media now and much more conscientious about maintaining these &#8220;records&#8221; than they were years ago. It just seemed silly to claim that information is better preserved in traditional media, especially if you think back to things like the Cultural Revolution, erasing all &#8220;irrelevant&#8221; information. I&#8217;m sure the Library of Alexandra could keep every record cuz back then, people who could afford to write something down on scrolls were people worth listening to. The proportion of useful info to useless info on the web nowadays is beyond comparison to ancient Greece.</p>
<p>Posthumous management of web content might very well be tricky, as you say. But realistically, with domains expiring and server resources being limited, is there much more to be done than for YOU to take up the content you found relevant from your friend&#8217;s site, and publishing it on your site? How long could we keep up that chain of re-publication? Should websites become family heirlooms? Traditional media definitely has the advantage there &#8211; so if you wanna preserve content, write a book?</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://sixrevisions.com/content-strategy/the-importance-of-historiography-on-the-web/#comment-93230</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 19:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to help preserve Internet history, considering joining the efforts of Archive Team (http://www.archiveteam.org) a group made up entirely of volunteers who, when they hear some content service is going down (like the aforementioned Geocities and Delicious, and the soon-to-be-retired Yahoo! video), they mobilize and save as much of the content as they can before it disappears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to help preserve Internet history, considering joining the efforts of Archive Team (<a href="http://www.archiveteam.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.archiveteam.org</a>) a group made up entirely of volunteers who, when they hear some content service is going down (like the aforementioned Geocities and Delicious, and the soon-to-be-retired Yahoo! video), they mobilize and save as much of the content as they can before it disappears.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Dawson</title>
		<link>http://sixrevisions.com/content-strategy/the-importance-of-historiography-on-the-web/#comment-93221</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the interesting debate points everyone!

@Young: I have to disagree about most content surviving through iteration. While it&#039;s true that older sites that remain unmaintained do disappear over time (and we can put some of that down to Darwinism), the issue of record keeping on the web is only going to become more profound as the Web ages. Consider this, currently, it&#039;s fair to say that the majority of those who have been producing content for the web since it&#039;s inception are still alive. What happens when a site author passes away? It&#039;s not something we often like talking about but the fact remains that when a site owner who&#039;s a respected expert in their field (posting information on a subject that doesn&#039;t evolve as rapidly as web design), if something happened to them, what would happen to their site and it&#039;s content? I had a friend who unfortunately passed away a year ago, and the information on their site was relevant, even too this day, but their family not knowing about it&#039;s value simply didn&#039;t &quot;hand the site over&quot; to someone else to continue, or keep it up. They took it down (the value of human insights was lost in this case).

Here&#039;s the situation, we as a society are placing greater demands on the Web to hold all of our information (books are going digital, as are most records), and releasing this content into the wild for all to read is also a central part in society. What will happen in 100 years time, when many of us will no longer be around? Copyright exists post-death, and there&#039;s plenty of other reasons why content disappears online, businesses going bust, ceasing services, users getting bored and not carrying on with the project. I just think we treat data so poorly these days, that we risk of not having that iterative system you speak about, but having holes in our part of the worlds evolution, and I&#039;ve seen a number of sites I considered valuable disappear in the past few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the interesting debate points everyone!</p>
<p>@Young: I have to disagree about most content surviving through iteration. While it&#8217;s true that older sites that remain unmaintained do disappear over time (and we can put some of that down to Darwinism), the issue of record keeping on the web is only going to become more profound as the Web ages. Consider this, currently, it&#8217;s fair to say that the majority of those who have been producing content for the web since it&#8217;s inception are still alive. What happens when a site author passes away? It&#8217;s not something we often like talking about but the fact remains that when a site owner who&#8217;s a respected expert in their field (posting information on a subject that doesn&#8217;t evolve as rapidly as web design), if something happened to them, what would happen to their site and it&#8217;s content? I had a friend who unfortunately passed away a year ago, and the information on their site was relevant, even too this day, but their family not knowing about it&#8217;s value simply didn&#8217;t &#8220;hand the site over&#8221; to someone else to continue, or keep it up. They took it down (the value of human insights was lost in this case).</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the situation, we as a society are placing greater demands on the Web to hold all of our information (books are going digital, as are most records), and releasing this content into the wild for all to read is also a central part in society. What will happen in 100 years time, when many of us will no longer be around? Copyright exists post-death, and there&#8217;s plenty of other reasons why content disappears online, businesses going bust, ceasing services, users getting bored and not carrying on with the project. I just think we treat data so poorly these days, that we risk of not having that iterative system you speak about, but having holes in our part of the worlds evolution, and I&#8217;ve seen a number of sites I considered valuable disappear in the past few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Albany</title>
		<link>http://sixrevisions.com/content-strategy/the-importance-of-historiography-on-the-web/#comment-93194</link>
		<dc:creator>Albany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 13:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@joshintosh not sure I agree with that stance. Sure, there needs to be an evolution to the web, but that doesn&#039;t mean there&#039;s no value in preserving the history of things that didn&#039;t succeed. History doesn&#039;t just teach us what works, it teaches us what doesn&#039;t work. 

PS - Interesting angle for an article, Alexander.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@joshintosh not sure I agree with that stance. Sure, there needs to be an evolution to the web, but that doesn&#8217;t mean there&#8217;s no value in preserving the history of things that didn&#8217;t succeed. History doesn&#8217;t just teach us what works, it teaches us what doesn&#8217;t work. </p>
<p>PS &#8211; Interesting angle for an article, Alexander.</p>
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		<title>By: Grün Weiss</title>
		<link>http://sixrevisions.com/content-strategy/the-importance-of-historiography-on-the-web/#comment-93162</link>
		<dc:creator>Grün Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 08:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice article, good stuff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice article, good stuff</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Quinn</title>
		<link>http://sixrevisions.com/content-strategy/the-importance-of-historiography-on-the-web/#comment-93151</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 04:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharing knowledge is the most important topic I think with the Internet.  There are so many ways to share and distribute knowledge (this blog being one) and it helps people that are learning new things or just browsing the net.  Anyway, great article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharing knowledge is the most important topic I think with the Internet.  There are so many ways to share and distribute knowledge (this blog being one) and it helps people that are learning new things or just browsing the net.  Anyway, great article.</p>
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		<title>By: aurel</title>
		<link>http://sixrevisions.com/content-strategy/the-importance-of-historiography-on-the-web/#comment-93136</link>
		<dc:creator>aurel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 00:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at this issue from a bloging perspective, I think we should evaluate the content and make it easier to be accessed for those that need it (and I believe that there’s always someone that would benefit from old content). 
But I don’t think that the websites from the 90s should be active, it would be nice if they would be collected in one place for those that were not active back then, to see how everything started. But the content from 90s (for example) would be useless for us now. So is a case of not losing the content as quickly as we do. For example the website which lets you see their first version, that is a great idea. But if their first version was their 20th re-design then it be worthless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at this issue from a bloging perspective, I think we should evaluate the content and make it easier to be accessed for those that need it (and I believe that there’s always someone that would benefit from old content).<br />
But I don’t think that the websites from the 90s should be active, it would be nice if they would be collected in one place for those that were not active back then, to see how everything started. But the content from 90s (for example) would be useless for us now. So is a case of not losing the content as quickly as we do. For example the website which lets you see their first version, that is a great idea. But if their first version was their 20th re-design then it be worthless</p>
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		<title>By: Young</title>
		<link>http://sixrevisions.com/content-strategy/the-importance-of-historiography-on-the-web/#comment-93133</link>
		<dc:creator>Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 23:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Josh. I think it&#039;s unfair to compare the web to say, the Library of Alenxandra, since the content at the library didn&#039;t exactly evolve. The records kept at libraries are in their essence contemporary human thoughts. While this is true to a degree on the web, most &quot;content&quot; survives through many iterations of websites, and if they are lost, chances are people deemed them useless or the author felt so. Even offline historical records should be disposed of if there&#039;s nothing to be learned from them, in my opinion. Natural selection trumps all - your article is saying Neanderthals should have been preserved. It&#039;s not a &quot;waste&quot; as you say - web development has evolved a lot, and for a reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Josh. I think it&#8217;s unfair to compare the web to say, the Library of Alenxandra, since the content at the library didn&#8217;t exactly evolve. The records kept at libraries are in their essence contemporary human thoughts. While this is true to a degree on the web, most &#8220;content&#8221; survives through many iterations of websites, and if they are lost, chances are people deemed them useless or the author felt so. Even offline historical records should be disposed of if there&#8217;s nothing to be learned from them, in my opinion. Natural selection trumps all &#8211; your article is saying Neanderthals should have been preserved. It&#8217;s not a &#8220;waste&#8221; as you say &#8211; web development has evolved a lot, and for a reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie K</title>
		<link>http://sixrevisions.com/content-strategy/the-importance-of-historiography-on-the-web/#comment-93131</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellie K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked the article, Alexander Dawson, and disagree with with @joshintosh (cute name though!). History of the internet is relevant in the same way as History of Science or History of Computing. It isn&#039;t necessary to meticulously preserve EVERYTHING (unless it is your own personal stuff and you want to!), but lessons learned from past situations that are analogous to issues affecting us currently, and in the future, are the obvious reasons that internet history should be documented with some degree of care.

Best example: This is more of a hardware storage example, but is relevant to cloud computing, which is definitely part of the internet! Specifically, the lessons learned about 30 years ago regarding optimizing storage disk configurations, read vs write seek times, and avoiding disk contention affecting processor performance have become directly relevant again for spinning instances for upload to the cloud with AWS EC2 or JetS.

I like forward to reading other articles on SixRevisions that just caught my eye, on &quot;History of Web Browsers&quot; and &quot;Evolution of Web Design&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the article, Alexander Dawson, and disagree with with @joshintosh (cute name though!). History of the internet is relevant in the same way as History of Science or History of Computing. It isn&#8217;t necessary to meticulously preserve EVERYTHING (unless it is your own personal stuff and you want to!), but lessons learned from past situations that are analogous to issues affecting us currently, and in the future, are the obvious reasons that internet history should be documented with some degree of care.</p>
<p>Best example: This is more of a hardware storage example, but is relevant to cloud computing, which is definitely part of the internet! Specifically, the lessons learned about 30 years ago regarding optimizing storage disk configurations, read vs write seek times, and avoiding disk contention affecting processor performance have become directly relevant again for spinning instances for upload to the cloud with AWS EC2 or JetS.</p>
<p>I like forward to reading other articles on SixRevisions that just caught my eye, on &#8220;History of Web Browsers&#8221; and &#8220;Evolution of Web Design&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: joshintosh</title>
		<link>http://sixrevisions.com/content-strategy/the-importance-of-historiography-on-the-web/#comment-93118</link>
		<dc:creator>joshintosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so sure the history of the web is all that important. In order for something to evolve, the weak need to be weeded out, the web&#039;s version of weeding out is no longer being on the grid. I think the history that matters will be preserved naturally. Like a library, not every note or book that was ever written makes it into a library. If we try to keep track of every thought that gets put on the internet, well, I think we will be doing ourselves a disservice. Let the passing thoughts pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so sure the history of the web is all that important. In order for something to evolve, the weak need to be weeded out, the web&#8217;s version of weeding out is no longer being on the grid. I think the history that matters will be preserved naturally. Like a library, not every note or book that was ever written makes it into a library. If we try to keep track of every thought that gets put on the internet, well, I think we will be doing ourselves a disservice. Let the passing thoughts pass.</p>
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