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		<title>By: Roshni</title>
		<link>http://sixrevisions.com/project-management/letting-bad-design-decisions-happen/#comment-108829</link>
		<dc:creator>Roshni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article thank you. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article thank you. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Carlton Barnette</title>
		<link>http://sixrevisions.com/project-management/letting-bad-design-decisions-happen/#comment-97053</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlton Barnette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2011 14:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve had several situations just like what you described in the article, and I can certainly admit that knowing where &quot;that line&quot; is isn&#039;t an easy thing for us. I will say that running our own business, rather than working for a firm or agency, is more empowering and allows me to keep more of my creative spirit. I can decide when to let a project go or not, rather than being forced to complete something I no longer have any passion for. 

One thing we&#039;re trying to do more this year is use our blog to educate potential clients more about how we operate and what the standards and hot styles are right now. We hope that this will help to get potential clients in the mindset of truly viewing us as the experts we are. Anything we design is of course going to take their vision into consideration, but we&#039;re going to put the spin on it that we think will take their company to the next level. Hopefully knowing this in advance will help to weed out the straight-laced clients or at least help them to come into a project with a more open mind.

We also encourage potential clients to view our portfolio, as it&#039;s the best indication of how we visualize concepts. And we take the time to describe our work and concept designs so that others can get an idea of where we were coming from with certain designs. Again, this might help to solve problems before they come up if our potential clients can get an understanding of how we work before they sign contracts and pay for work.

Of course, there will still be problems that arise because we can&#039;t account for everything. And when that happens, we still need to understand how to proceed professionally to do what&#039;s best for both the client and ourselves. Your article has been a great help to this end! I think the main thing I&#039;ve taken away is that when we get to the point where we no longer care how the project turns out, it&#039;s time to respectfully throw in the towel. Otherwise, the client won&#039;t get work they&#039;ll be truly happy with, and we won&#039;t be proud of what we&#039;ve created because we did so out of haste and without caring. 

Great read!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve had several situations just like what you described in the article, and I can certainly admit that knowing where &#8220;that line&#8221; is isn&#8217;t an easy thing for us. I will say that running our own business, rather than working for a firm or agency, is more empowering and allows me to keep more of my creative spirit. I can decide when to let a project go or not, rather than being forced to complete something I no longer have any passion for. </p>
<p>One thing we&#8217;re trying to do more this year is use our blog to educate potential clients more about how we operate and what the standards and hot styles are right now. We hope that this will help to get potential clients in the mindset of truly viewing us as the experts we are. Anything we design is of course going to take their vision into consideration, but we&#8217;re going to put the spin on it that we think will take their company to the next level. Hopefully knowing this in advance will help to weed out the straight-laced clients or at least help them to come into a project with a more open mind.</p>
<p>We also encourage potential clients to view our portfolio, as it&#8217;s the best indication of how we visualize concepts. And we take the time to describe our work and concept designs so that others can get an idea of where we were coming from with certain designs. Again, this might help to solve problems before they come up if our potential clients can get an understanding of how we work before they sign contracts and pay for work.</p>
<p>Of course, there will still be problems that arise because we can&#8217;t account for everything. And when that happens, we still need to understand how to proceed professionally to do what&#8217;s best for both the client and ourselves. Your article has been a great help to this end! I think the main thing I&#8217;ve taken away is that when we get to the point where we no longer care how the project turns out, it&#8217;s time to respectfully throw in the towel. Otherwise, the client won&#8217;t get work they&#8217;ll be truly happy with, and we won&#8217;t be proud of what we&#8217;ve created because we did so out of haste and without caring. </p>
<p>Great read!</p>
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		<title>By: CodeMyConcept</title>
		<link>http://sixrevisions.com/project-management/letting-bad-design-decisions-happen/#comment-96997</link>
		<dc:creator>CodeMyConcept</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 23:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should be able to know your limits and if you realize too late, tell always the truth and give out a solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should be able to know your limits and if you realize too late, tell always the truth and give out a solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Auger</title>
		<link>http://sixrevisions.com/project-management/letting-bad-design-decisions-happen/#comment-96988</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Auger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 17:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, though I personally would have liked to see more in the way of recommendations or best practices for helping an opinionated client see that she is recommending a bad design decision.

But let us not forget that we are in the business of _commercial_ design: that is to say, we are all prostitutes at some level or another. There are very few of us that can pull the Mad Men style of dictating to the client exactly what they need: clients are much more savvy about marketing than they were in the 60&#039;s and the commercial design industry has lost some (possibly most) of the mystique that it had back then. So as Jason points out, compromise is usually the word of the [insert measurement of time here].

However, as designers, we are supposed to be the experts on what works, visually. We have been educated in basic design principles, and unlike most of our clients, we spend all day, every day, looking at, working on and considering visuals and their impact. It is therefore our responsibility to point out pitfalls, gaffes, mistakes and other blunders that a client might request.

Respectfully. And always remembering that our very expertise can also be a bias. We might think that a lot of whitespace, an open leading, and a sparse design is the most aesthetically pleasing (and can probably back it up with countless examples), but the client potentially has some good business reasons, or some insights into its target audience, their buying cycle, or the competitive space that gives their requests validity.

An approach that we use at Zeitguys is to:
- remind the client that we are the curators of their visual aesthetic
- let the client know that we WILL accommodate every request
- let the client know that we will focus on the SPIRIT of the request rather than the LETTER
- request clarification about the INTENT of a client&#039;s request, in cases where the request is very specific (move that logo over to the right, center this block of text)

With the above points in mind, gently craft a boilerplate paragraph, which you can insert into your written communications, or that you can paraphrase in your phone conversations or meetings. You will have the framework for establishing a respectful relationship with your more opinionated customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, though I personally would have liked to see more in the way of recommendations or best practices for helping an opinionated client see that she is recommending a bad design decision.</p>
<p>But let us not forget that we are in the business of _commercial_ design: that is to say, we are all prostitutes at some level or another. There are very few of us that can pull the Mad Men style of dictating to the client exactly what they need: clients are much more savvy about marketing than they were in the 60&#8242;s and the commercial design industry has lost some (possibly most) of the mystique that it had back then. So as Jason points out, compromise is usually the word of the [insert measurement of time here].</p>
<p>However, as designers, we are supposed to be the experts on what works, visually. We have been educated in basic design principles, and unlike most of our clients, we spend all day, every day, looking at, working on and considering visuals and their impact. It is therefore our responsibility to point out pitfalls, gaffes, mistakes and other blunders that a client might request.</p>
<p>Respectfully. And always remembering that our very expertise can also be a bias. We might think that a lot of whitespace, an open leading, and a sparse design is the most aesthetically pleasing (and can probably back it up with countless examples), but the client potentially has some good business reasons, or some insights into its target audience, their buying cycle, or the competitive space that gives their requests validity.</p>
<p>An approach that we use at Zeitguys is to:<br />
- remind the client that we are the curators of their visual aesthetic<br />
- let the client know that we WILL accommodate every request<br />
- let the client know that we will focus on the SPIRIT of the request rather than the LETTER<br />
- request clarification about the INTENT of a client&#8217;s request, in cases where the request is very specific (move that logo over to the right, center this block of text)</p>
<p>With the above points in mind, gently craft a boilerplate paragraph, which you can insert into your written communications, or that you can paraphrase in your phone conversations or meetings. You will have the framework for establishing a respectful relationship with your more opinionated customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislavs Judins</title>
		<link>http://sixrevisions.com/project-management/letting-bad-design-decisions-happen/#comment-96954</link>
		<dc:creator>Vladislavs Judins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 08:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a great quote from Steve: Sometimes when you innovate, you make mistakes. It is best to admit them quickly, and get on with improving your other innovations</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a great quote from Steve: Sometimes when you innovate, you make mistakes. It is best to admit them quickly, and get on with improving your other innovations</p>
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		<title>By: Kelvin Lee</title>
		<link>http://sixrevisions.com/project-management/letting-bad-design-decisions-happen/#comment-96930</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelvin Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 02:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! I too had these questions when I first started freelancing in the field. Like Jason said, IMHO defining your principles and standards, drawing the line of what you will do and what you will not is critical to being a successful freelance developer/designer, but you probably won&#039;t know how to draw this line until after you&#039;ve got your hands dirty on some bad designs for &quot;nothing&quot;. Hard lessons FTW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! I too had these questions when I first started freelancing in the field. Like Jason said, IMHO defining your principles and standards, drawing the line of what you will do and what you will not is critical to being a successful freelance developer/designer, but you probably won&#8217;t know how to draw this line until after you&#8217;ve got your hands dirty on some bad designs for &#8220;nothing&#8221;. Hard lessons FTW.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Gross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Gross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 22:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ngw I would argue that a &quot;customers customers&quot; are the more important group. Ultimately a web design&#039;s value and effectiveness are judged by how that group interacts with the site. 

I will say that most clients I have had do have an understanding and an appreciation for that. Generally speaking anyone who owns or is an important part of a business understands the value of putting their customers first. A lot of times these clients will be pursuing a web site because they feel it is a convenience for their customer base. So we tend to generally be on the same page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ngw I would argue that a &#8220;customers customers&#8221; are the more important group. Ultimately a web design&#8217;s value and effectiveness are judged by how that group interacts with the site. </p>
<p>I will say that most clients I have had do have an understanding and an appreciation for that. Generally speaking anyone who owns or is an important part of a business understands the value of putting their customers first. A lot of times these clients will be pursuing a web site because they feel it is a convenience for their customer base. So we tend to generally be on the same page.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 21:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First image is veru interesting, monkeys rocks :d</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First image is veru interesting, monkeys rocks :d</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://sixrevisions.com/project-management/letting-bad-design-decisions-happen/#comment-96911</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, great picture to start the article off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, great picture to start the article off!</p>
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		<title>By: ngw</title>
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		<dc:creator>ngw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful article, really.
The only thing that probably is worth asking is: should a designer care more about his &quot;customer&quot; (the person who pays for the job) or about his customer&#039;s customers (people who will generate a return) ?
If the designer lets some bad decisions go isn&#039;t he mining the returns his customer will have from the work done, and the probability the customer will come back as a consequence ?
Would be very interested to know your opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful article, really.<br />
The only thing that probably is worth asking is: should a designer care more about his &#8220;customer&#8221; (the person who pays for the job) or about his customer&#8217;s customers (people who will generate a return) ?<br />
If the designer lets some bad decisions go isn&#8217;t he mining the returns his customer will have from the work done, and the probability the customer will come back as a consequence ?<br />
Would be very interested to know your opinion.</p>
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