Comments on: Definitive Guide to Taming the IE6 Beast http://sixrevisions.com/web-development/definitive-guide-to-taming-the-ie6-beast/ Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:25:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Peter Watson http://sixrevisions.com/web-development/definitive-guide-to-taming-the-ie6-beast/#comment-57963 Peter Watson Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:28:16 +0000 http://sixrevisions.com/?p=1323#comment-57963 Great article, I will definitely keep it book-marked. To all the people saying kill the beast...if only it were that easy! Please remember that many users are unable to do so. I work in UK local Government, and our desktop support guys simply don't have the resources or time to upgrade thousands of users. Sad but true. As for users on the outside, we simply don't have control over that. You can offer them advice on why they should upgrade/change, but they are under no obligation to do so. Building sites that don't work in IE6 are just going to piss people off, so in the meantime we are stuck with it. To all those people saying write simpler code - what if you are working on a comlpex third-party app, where you don't actually have access to the code but you can work on the CSS? I'm speaking from experience here, where I have been asked to style a GIS application that by its very nature is quite complicated. Great article, I will definitely keep it book-marked.

To all the people saying kill the beast…if only it were that easy! Please remember that many users are unable to do so. I work in UK local Government, and our desktop support guys simply don’t have the resources or time to upgrade thousands of users. Sad but true. As for users on the outside, we simply don’t have control over that. You can offer them advice on why they should upgrade/change, but they are under no obligation to do so. Building sites that don’t work in IE6 are just going to piss people off, so in the meantime we are stuck with it.

To all those people saying write simpler code – what if you are working on a comlpex third-party app, where you don’t actually have access to the code but you can work on the CSS? I’m speaking from experience here, where I have been asked to style a GIS application that by its very nature is quite complicated.

]]> By: deanoj http://sixrevisions.com/web-development/definitive-guide-to-taming-the-ie6-beast/#comment-56445 deanoj Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:10:18 +0000 http://sixrevisions.com/?p=1323#comment-56445 Using the 'overflow' method to fix the clearing floats issue caused us no end of trouble with disppearing text in IE6. However, I find using the old style clearfix method to work fine. Using the ‘overflow’ method to fix the clearing floats issue caused us no end of trouble with disppearing text in IE6. However, I find using the old style clearfix method to work fine.

]]> By: Dennis http://sixrevisions.com/web-development/definitive-guide-to-taming-the-ie6-beast/#comment-47014 Dennis Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:32:08 +0000 http://sixrevisions.com/?p=1323#comment-47014 Nice writeup. I advise everyone to make very judicious use of the !important modifier. It is not a good fit for a declaration that will need to be overridden because then you'll have to use the !important modifier again for all browsers. Using it a few times for 'primitive' classes leads to having to use it a lot, and you may well find your stylesheet riddled with !important modifiers. Nice writeup. I advise everyone to make very judicious use of the !important modifier. It is not a good fit for a declaration that will need to be overridden because then you’ll have to use the !important modifier again for all browsers. Using it a few times for ‘primitive’ classes leads to having to use it a lot, and you may well find your stylesheet riddled with !important modifiers.

]]> By: doug http://sixrevisions.com/web-development/definitive-guide-to-taming-the-ie6-beast/#comment-45817 doug Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:18:59 +0000 http://sixrevisions.com/?p=1323#comment-45817 "What if movie and television producers suddenly thought plasma was not good enough to display media in the quality they preferred, and made it so you couldn’t watch? Instead you get a big red screen PLEASE BUY LCD, UPGRADE! You would be fairly pissed off. So are users when they get to a site with information they need and its blocked out." @Kevin: Uh, didn't they just do this to our TVs? Try watching an analog station (read: IE6). You can't anymore. I understand this is a little apples to oranges (there is no department in my home telling me I can't change TVs, unless you count my budget...) but the concept is the same. “What if movie and television producers suddenly thought plasma was not good enough to display media in the quality they preferred, and made it so you couldn’t watch? Instead you get a big red screen PLEASE BUY LCD, UPGRADE! You would be fairly pissed off. So are users when they get to a site with information they need and its blocked out.”

@Kevin: Uh, didn’t they just do this to our TVs? Try watching an analog station (read: IE6). You can’t anymore. I understand this is a little apples to oranges (there is no department in my home telling me I can’t change TVs, unless you count my budget…) but the concept is the same.

]]> By: Eddie Johnson http://sixrevisions.com/web-development/definitive-guide-to-taming-the-ie6-beast/#comment-44567 Eddie Johnson Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:09:37 +0000 http://sixrevisions.com/?p=1323#comment-44567 weirdly, I have just posted an article on a similar subject! (I came across this one a few days later) its not as in depth but has some alternate views/solutions to some of the problems listed here (and has a couple of other problems listed/fixed)... am I allowed a link in here?.. ahh bugger it - look here: http://www.websurfshack.net/2009/08/ie6-css-tricks-and-hacks/ weirdly, I have just posted an article on a similar subject! (I came across this one a few days later) its not as in depth but has some alternate views/solutions to some of the problems listed here (and has a couple of other problems listed/fixed)… am I allowed a link in here?.. ahh bugger it – look here: http://www.websurfshack.net/2009/08/ie6-css-tricks-and-hacks/

]]> By: Carl http://sixrevisions.com/web-development/definitive-guide-to-taming-the-ie6-beast/#comment-44538 Carl Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:01:32 +0000 http://sixrevisions.com/?p=1323#comment-44538 If you want to get some insight into how long we have, go to this site http://www.ie6death.com Looks like we will be dealing with IE6 for a long time. If you want to get some insight into how long we have, go to this site http://www.ie6death.com Looks like we will be dealing with IE6 for a long time.

]]> By: Bogdan Pop http://sixrevisions.com/web-development/definitive-guide-to-taming-the-ie6-beast/#comment-43860 Bogdan Pop Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:07:56 +0000 http://sixrevisions.com/?p=1323#comment-43860 So manny articles about conditional statements for IE6. Why not starting to code properly. I stopped creating extra css stylesheets and other stuff for IE6 couple of years ago. Moreover, the sites look the same,and act the same on IE6 as well as IE7, firefox, or others. Instead of keeping to add more code to the design (be it HTML, CSS etc) try to remove code, make the structure more simple, while strugling to preserve what you wanted, and no conditional tags will be needed. So manny articles about conditional statements for IE6. Why not starting to code properly. I stopped creating extra css stylesheets and other stuff for IE6 couple of years ago. Moreover, the sites look the same,and act the same on IE6 as well as IE7, firefox, or others.

Instead of keeping to add more code to the design (be it HTML, CSS etc) try to remove code, make the structure more simple, while strugling to preserve what you wanted, and no conditional tags will be needed.

]]> By: eloge Kly http://sixrevisions.com/web-development/definitive-guide-to-taming-the-ie6-beast/#comment-43859 eloge Kly Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:07:39 +0000 http://sixrevisions.com/?p=1323#comment-43859 This is simply the most complete article about IE bugs I've found so far,I'm actually fixing IE6 bugs on a project thanks a lot!! This is simply the most complete article about IE bugs I’ve found so far,I’m actually fixing IE6 bugs on a project thanks a lot!!

]]> By: Samuel Larsson http://sixrevisions.com/web-development/definitive-guide-to-taming-the-ie6-beast/#comment-43467 Samuel Larsson Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:44:34 +0000 http://sixrevisions.com/?p=1323#comment-43467 I totally agree with Kevin Quillen here. It´s a part of the job making sites that works with IE6 when designing them for people that pays you. Maybe its a question of however you´re running an webservice or designing for friends. Some users are old and WILL not upgrade their system, making a site they can´t use will not make my client happy - the visitors will just purchase from any other company that took care of the interaction. Thats why I´ve bookmarked this article, it will be handy some day. Thank you. And yes I hate IE6 as much as anyone else ;) I totally agree with Kevin Quillen here. It´s a part of the job making sites that works with IE6 when designing them for people that pays you.

Maybe its a question of however you´re running an webservice or designing for friends. Some users are old and WILL not upgrade their system, making a site they can´t use will not make my client happy – the visitors will just purchase from any other company that took care of the interaction.

Thats why I´ve bookmarked this article, it will be handy some day. Thank you. And yes I hate IE6 as much as anyone else ;)

]]> By: Akim http://sixrevisions.com/web-development/definitive-guide-to-taming-the-ie6-beast/#comment-43288 Akim Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:53:37 +0000 http://sixrevisions.com/?p=1323#comment-43288 thanks. a realy helpful post. '!important' css trick saves me a hour :) thanks. a realy helpful post.
‘!important’ css trick saves me a hour :)

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